Word about lostbets.com has really gotten around in certain circles as girls have told their friends, and new and diverse players show up all the time. Well, there's this girl who might (and I stress might) be willing to play for a very high stake indeed, something she could only lose once.
What do you think, guys? Should I pursue this? There are both ethical and practical considerations, and I'm interested in hearing what people have to say about both.
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It's an interesting idea, but since first time sex is never good... that we're very jaded to accept it's 'real'... and for the greater extent, does she go into a loop until she loses? Or is it a one-shot, she might actually win, and she gets something equally valuable? Of course if she wins we'll cry bloody murder, but if she loses we'll cry it was staged. I'd rather watch something I knew was probably fake, but with some really good acting (same as all your stuff.)
Put some huge stakes down. Her and two guys, first two naked go at it. The guy left out is the loser, the guy who loses wins, and if the girl wins give her a pile of cash to counteract her risk. Some extreme risk. *shrug*
-DirtyOldMan
@Dirty Old Man: thanks for the comments. I gotta correct a misconception though: very little of my work is "fake but with really good acting." Trust me, these girls aren't really good actresses, and even if they were, I sure as hell am not a really good director. I've never said that everything here is real -- some of it isn't -- but the vast majority of my stuff is completely legit, with the winner determined by the outcome of a fair game.
I've thought about incorporating more fakery, especially when I really wants a certain outcome, but I don't do it (often) because I get better performances out of these non-actresses when they're not acting.
I don't know man, im not sure this is a good idea just feels a bit off and it makes the whole thing seam a bit heavy and less of a laugh.
(I tried to post earlier with elinks and links, but those posts never end up being submitted. I see them momentarily as submitted, but they never fully commit. Weird)
Thanks for the clarification, Red. That makes sense actually, since there's a lot of scripted porn with 1000 dollar actresses that is just, horrible.
Anyways, to answer your questions (again- elinks failed)-
Ethics- her body, less "bad" than the pregnant one, so let's not worry
Practicality- It comes down to this. She's willing to be in a porno, odds are pretty good that hymen is all busted up already. So it's not like the dude plunging in is going to really pop any cherries. UNLESS she does have her cherry, then you would have to go out of your way to get some HD action of that shiny little patch up close, and do as technically best as you can to show the man entering her, and (hopefully for customers [shudder - that registered with me as i typed it what the dynamic of this all is]) showing her lady shield bowing, tearing, and finally bleeding.
There's pretty much no porn of this on the internet. So I doubt that this is what you have on the table.
If it is, I would forecast one of your biggest financial hits.
Ok part 2 of my thought.
There's the dynamic of her winning. Does she just keep coming back to lostbets until she loses it? That cheapens it. Does she play and actually have a chance of winning? That'll be a poor sale. But it'll definitely give credence to the unscripted claim.
So if she can win, she needs some prize as valuable as the virgin cherry she threw in the ante.
Myself, an old 30 year old wanker poisoned by too much internet porn, has some nice closeted bicuriosity, so I would love to see V-girl play with two curious straight guys. The game is whatever, but the first two to lose, oral followed by intercourse.
Obviously I'll never get that wish, since you'd multiply your sales by 0.05, and I strongly suspect that's not your cup of tea to even be involved with. Still, it's for me to vent the idea.
Thanks Red! -DirtyOldMan
It is an interesting concept, but I don't think it matches your market.
But really I think you do your best work when you are having fun, and if it is what you want to do then go for it. You only live once.
-Z
Perhaps what you need is a card game played by two "virgins"One to lose and the winner keeps her virginity.
100% go for it. Seriously would be one of the hottest videos I've ever seen, and she's pretty attractive too.
I think the fact that she approached you, coupled with the idea that she is obviously willing to risk it, pretty much absolves you from any (well, most) backlash.
Personally speaking, I have mixed feelings about this. I find it absolutely hot that there is the chance to see something like that, and she's a pretty damn attractive girl to boot. I also think "the first time" is a bit over-rated. Hell, it never goes according to anyone's plans anyway, might as well have fun with it... However, I also think that there will be a lot of people that claim this to be another "taboo", and you might have to once again defend yourself in the comments section, and it might just not be worth the hassle to you.
It's obviously up to you, and I'll back you with my wallet, since I'd like to see it done, but if you choose not to, I'll still support you in my own insignificant way.
Matt
@DOM: If you found it hard to believe that the majority of the action here is legit, try this one on for unbelievability: it’s not about the money and never has been. Yes, I know how perfectly potty that sounds, but it’s the truth. I don’t shy away from making a niche video because I don’t think it’ll make as much money as something with broader appeal. (That means, by the way, that you very well may get your wish to see bicurious guys playing each other. Or may not. We’ll see.)
I’m not so quick to dismiss the ethical concerns as you and Matt. Yes, she’s an adult, and yes, it’s her body, and yes, it’s her right and responsibility to make her own decisions and live with the consequences. But I still would rather that none of the girls who’ve graced the front of my camera have cause to regret it, and this seems like the sort of decision she might come to regret. And yeah, maybe it’d be paternalistic or even sexist for me to make that decision for her, but it still gives me pause. (And please don’t be offended, but your very graphic description of the physical consequences of defloration really didn’t ease my squeamishness.)
The practical concerns are also a big deal, and DOM, you’ve done a good job of laying them out. I’m just not sure what to do with her. One thing I considered is having her be the prize in a game between two men, but I don’t think that’s exciting as the girl better her own virginity rather than it being a foregone conclusion that she'll lose it.) I agree that playing until she loses cheapens it... but maybe the solution is to have her play a limited number of games (say, 2) with her virginity at stake. That would at least tilt the odds in our favor while giving the girl a fair chance to lose her virginity in private. Or do what I did with Ashley vs. Rainy and pick a game that places her at a disadvantage.
The ideal solution would be to pit her against another virgin as Anon 5:13 (please sign your posts!) suggests, but really, where am I gonna find another virgin? In space? At this hour?
@Z: That’s a pretty insightful comment on when my work is at its best. I hadn’t thought of it quite that way, but you’re right. In this case, I can’t say I have huge enthusiasm for it but I do enjoy expanding the variety of content I offer.
@Matt: Well, she didn’t exactly approach me. Dante did, telling me that he knew a virgin he might be able to talk into playing.
To everybody out there who finds this subject matter particularly appealing, you might want to check out virginschoolgirlsex.com, which has a series of videos featuring what they claim are real virgins. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with them and have absolutely no comment on their videos other than their purported content.
By the way, yes, virgin sex isn’t known for being great sex, but in this case, her partner would probably not be a virgin himself, so that should help with that problem.
Hi Red,
I can understand that on one hand it would be an enormously popular clip but on the other I suspect it would end in tears. That having been said by reducing the stakes you would make it far more acceptable to those uncomfortable with the idea. From the pictures shown the young lady in question looks a stunner. I'd very much like to see her take part in some games, maybe masturbation or oral?
Furrychris
Brilliant! Just wrote a huge idea/comment only to find after that you can only use 4.096 characters!
So forgive me for this Red (and it may bore the hell out of you) but I am going to repost it as a series of short replies. Hope that is okay?
MarketMover
2. If you are going to do it I suggest you make it a one-off one-clip special to explore the market. This may not appeal to your usual customer, but sure as hell it would bring in other customers who would love to see this happen. As a marketing man by profession I always consider my customer base AND my potential new customer base when I introduce a new product or a modification to an existing line. Its entirely possible this sort of clip could become an offshoot to your main business. If you were as unethical (and money hungry) as a jerk like me then you would do the following. Call it - "You Bet Your Cherry 1" - film it - get an "anonymous" person to report it to a news rag pretending to be a "concerned individual" and suddenly you have a major news story pulling in MAJOR advertising for your business. It may not be about the money for you, but we'd all love a few extra Benjamins in our back pocket. This one could have the legs to be a real winner.
Great - now its posted part two and not part one!
I will try again for one final time.
MarketMover
2. If you are going to do it I suggest you make it a one-off one-clip special to explore the market. This may not appeal to your usual customer, but sure as hell it would bring in other customers who would love to see this happen. As a marketing man by profession I always consider my customer base AND my potential new customer base when I introduce a new product or a modification to an existing line. Its entirely possible this sort of clip could become an offshoot to your main business. If you were as unethical (and money hungry) as a jerk like me then you would do the following. Call it - "You Bet Your Cherry 1" - film it - get an "anonymous" person to report it to a news rag pretending to be a "concerned individual" and suddenly you have a major news story pulling in MAJOR advertising for your business. It may not be about the money for you, but we'd all love a few extra Benjamins in our back pocket. This one could have the legs to be a real winner.
Ah screw this. I post part one. Check its there. Then post part two - and part one goes missing! I will try again in your most recent thread. Hopefully the problem is with just this thread.
If anyone really wants to read this - and it might bore you to death - try reading the most recent comment thread in about ten minutes!
LOL
Okay here is my comment on this thread in full.
I couldn't post it here (not enough space) so I have started my own blog and posted it there.
Red - I would really appreciate it if you would delete all comments I have made on this thread apart from this one.
Read my comment here;
http://marketmoverlostbets.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-opinion-on-virgin-thread.html
Here's a few simple ideas;
1. how about you play guy v girl with your virgin watching the game, make it a skill based game. Winner gets the virgin?
2.Or virgin plays for 1 game to put it on the line. Make it a couples game. The virgin couple lose then the guy from the winning couple gets her cherry. Make some suitable punishment for the losing guy. Virgin couple win, both the winning and losing guys get her.
3.Or Dante his smoking hot gf and the virgin play together till two naked. Winner picks who they fuck?
Just ideas.
Oh my god do it. You have one guarantee buy, as long as she shows something. I might even buy it twice if she goes all the way.
Also, I for one appreciate what Red does and after almost 15 years of internet porn I have a message for everyone here: This is as real as it gets.
-- Chris
Red- trying to cancel my membership to the monthly membership paysite so I can afford more at the clip site. Cant figure out how to do this. Have sent several emails. Can you help?
Play a game that involves both skill and luck. Then to help the girl feel more at ease, play a game that can have more than one forfeit. The worse you lose, the more you lose. Take cribbage for example. A card game that involves skill and luck. Plus, it has a skunk line which is like losing two games and a double skunk, which equates to losing four games. This game would allow for a less demanding forfeit to start with, but still risk the big forfeit if she lost badly. Just so you know, there are still some male virgins out there...i happen to be one.
Thanks for waking this thread up, silver_quake... I should have provided closure. Folks, I've chosen to pass on this opportunity, mainly because I just couldn't think of a really good way to use it. This time. The chance may come again.
But silver_quake, I am truly in your debt. You're right, cribbage will make an awesome stripping game. It's got elements of luck and elements of strategy. It's got tense competition. It's widely known, but easily taught to those who don't know it. And, if I recall correctly, the game involves advancing through 29 pegs. So if the players started dressed only in, say, 29 sticky notes... or 29 balloons... yeah. Four years I've been doing this, and I can't believe that I overlooked cribbage. (Maybe I should check out some other classic card games, too... Spades or Hearts... hmmm.) I owe you one. You'll get a free copy of the first game I publish. Remind me, please, when it happens.
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